tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post2350666440531258130..comments2023-09-29T10:04:33.858+01:00Comments on Roger Brook - the no dig gardener: Hybridity in EvolutionRoger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-39803083746752811062015-01-25T09:47:49.482+00:002015-01-25T09:47:49.482+00:00Thank you Anthony for your three long comments on ...Thank you Anthony for your three long comments on my two hybridity posts and on my latest post on soils!<br />Good to meet up here in the blogosphere as I often read your own fine blog. I suspect that we actually have much in common, although on soils in particular, our philosophies are very different.<br />Forgive me if I suggest there is a conspiracy. I do not think this, although I do believe Roger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-5150456671442552182015-01-25T04:13:52.085+00:002015-01-25T04:13:52.085+00:00This blog is excellent because it demonstrates how...This blog is excellent because it demonstrates how horticulture involves lots of different scientific disciplines as well as aesthetics. <br />However, I don't understand what you mean by evolutionists saying that evolution is linear. We get our genes from our ancestors. Theoretically and logically I must be able to trace my ancestors back in a line to the first life on earth. Is that Anthony Cuthberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02875794858885289856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-13518938228725943582015-01-18T14:01:53.426+00:002015-01-18T14:01:53.426+00:00Thanks Roger but words like "wise" and &...Thanks Roger but words like "wise" and "expert" are far too much of an exaggeration. I did forget to confirm that the False Oxlip is a natural hybrid and you are absolutely correct in saying that many primulas are extremely promiscuous but they also have the added benefit of producing copious amounts of seed, my other favourite genus Meconopsis behaves in exactly the same way Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-6472718858557174732015-01-17T16:51:47.653+00:002015-01-17T16:51:47.653+00:00Hi Rick, I have been waiting with some intrepidati...Hi Rick, I have been waiting with some intrepidation for your comments. They are as thoughtful and questioning as ever. I nearly said ‘wise’ but I did not want to be too complimentary!<br />You might ask ‘why’ to the oenothera /rice cross but had it shown a very distant hybridization it would have been very exciting. I know you are a primula expert and I did find something about a primula that Roger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-91471517623610733962015-01-17T15:36:38.957+00:002015-01-17T15:36:38.957+00:00Hi Roger, finally finished reading your blog for t...Hi Roger, finally finished reading your blog for the third time and I also had a look at the pages regarding the rice/ Oenothera cross although WHY escapes me. I think I will sit firmly on the fence and say that both arguments are valid and probably run in parallel, although I can see the point about hybridization I can also see that, what I suppose we know as conventional evolution, is far more Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-65319533728595726872015-01-17T12:32:06.103+00:002015-01-17T12:32:06.103+00:00I must confess I have not personally hybridised li...I must confess I have not personally hybridised lilies. As a complete digression I did spend a happy hour in my greenhouse yesterday potting up little bundles of bulbs of Lilium formosanum pricei, an exquisite dwarf lily I sowed last year from my own seed.<br />Yes I know my post takes some very careful reading and many folk have better things to do!. I do hope that everything does make sense Roger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-91042257164667786042015-01-17T00:56:56.707+00:002015-01-17T00:56:56.707+00:00I always thought that hybrid lilies were sterile, ...I always thought that hybrid lilies were sterile, I have left some of mine to seed but they don’t seet seeds. I will try to hand pollinating this summer and see if I can do a better job than the insects (probably not!). Perhaps crossing the hybrids will be more successful than expecting them to pollinate each other within the same hybrids? Thanks for yet an interesting post from you, I will HELENEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112289914239038835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-67183977679854694472015-01-16T22:11:44.972+00:002015-01-16T22:11:44.972+00:00Sorry Sue, thats not clear - where Spanish and our...Sorry Sue, thats not clear - where Spanish and our native bluebells are planted close together they hybridise and merge<br />(too much vino tonight)Roger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-74211845220693884912015-01-16T19:13:40.171+00:002015-01-16T19:13:40.171+00:00For good or bad, hybridity is everywhere and has b...For good or bad, hybridity is everywhere and has been so through evolutionary time. Thats my point really.(sorry to 'go on')<br />Peter tells me there are so many places where zones of bluebells just merge. Roger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-1279768003175199412015-01-16T18:47:35.031+00:002015-01-16T18:47:35.031+00:00As with native bluebells :(As with native bluebells :(Sue Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164518448098182276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-82902697929783871822015-01-16T18:22:25.386+00:002015-01-16T18:22:25.386+00:00I found very few references to its hybrid origin e...I found very few references to its hybrid origin except for Darwin who states that it is a hybrid between Primula veris and Primula vulgaris!<br />What I do know is it hybridises very freely especially with the primrose and many colonies of oxlip are in danger because of such hybridizations.Roger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-47473175054086519522015-01-16T17:27:58.849+00:002015-01-16T17:27:58.849+00:00Martyn's put something on his blog as it is hi...Martyn's put something on his blog as it is his project really. By the way is an oxlip a natural hybrid?Sue Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164518448098182276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-82613968357365340042015-01-16T15:14:57.049+00:002015-01-16T15:14:57.049+00:00Before an F1 cross is made to create seed for comm...Before an F1 cross is made to create seed for commercial sale, the two parents are usually produced by the seedsman over several generations of inbreeding by self pollination. The result is that each parent is a pure breeding line and becomes genetically very uniform. This stock of the two parents is maintained by the seedsman for each new generation of F! crosses for future sales.<br />Because Roger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-85546259147119087702015-01-16T12:21:13.604+00:002015-01-16T12:21:13.604+00:00On the subject if hybridisation - if a F1 hybrids ...On the subject if hybridisation - if a F1 hybrids is pollinated by the same F1 hybrid will the seeds come true? Martyn has saved seed from a Crown Prince squash. We have only grown Crown Pince and there are no other squash growing anywhere near oursSue Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164518448098182276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-22330020632913701332015-01-16T09:12:11.866+00:002015-01-16T09:12:11.866+00:00Wisdom, what wisdom? It’s probably not very wise t...Wisdom, what wisdom? It’s probably not very wise to sound off like I have from what some will regard as very superficial knowledge.<br />I know readers will have very varying existing knowledge of evolution and things genetic and some of my argument may be very hard work. I fall back on the fact that most of my readers are interesting in plants and where they have come from.<br />I know from yourRoger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-57757710704427343372015-01-16T03:42:48.413+00:002015-01-16T03:42:48.413+00:00I have to say I was a bit lost in your post and li...I have to say I was a bit lost in your post and like Mark have the same feeling of "absorbing your wisdom". The post is very interesting though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-60547533466959578592015-01-13T08:41:54.507+00:002015-01-13T08:41:54.507+00:00I like the irony Mark!
Since you ask I think devel...I like the irony Mark!<br />Since you ask I think development of cabbages, sprouts, caulis etc are quite interesting and as far as I know are all examples of man selecting for characteristics from the original wild form of Brassica oleracea. Breeders have hybridised some of the brassicas for example with radishRoger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-52232520301534944532015-01-12T22:22:26.365+00:002015-01-12T22:22:26.365+00:00Roger you may have wondered why I don't always...Roger you may have wondered why I don't always leave a comment just after you have published your post but in fact it is because I prefer to think about your words for a few days before I comment. In this case I am giving it much thought and will return.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-4144609220256101642015-01-12T18:43:26.515+00:002015-01-12T18:43:26.515+00:00I await your treatise on the Brussels Sprout with ...I await your treatise on the Brussels Sprout with eager anticipation! Presumably you will reveal how it came into existence...Mark Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558305122821209520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-72437249478327077182015-01-12T17:21:13.745+00:002015-01-12T17:21:13.745+00:00Flattery will get you everywhere Mark! I think my ...Flattery will get you everywhere Mark! I think my limited knowledge but keen interest enables me to ask questions without losing any reputation - I have not got one. (And I think you will agree Mark one of the pleasures of blogging is that you can vent an opinion)<br />Perhaps on the horticulture side I might sometimes speak with a modicum of authority - you will have every right to disagree whenRoger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2571100417242238211.post-2106550182500525392015-01-12T17:00:02.895+00:002015-01-12T17:00:02.895+00:00Roger, I am baffled. My poor little brain cannot a...Roger, I am baffled. My poor little brain cannot absorb all the wisdom you are throwing at it! Where do you manage to get all this info from? BTW: are you a contributor to Wikipedia or any such knowledge bases?Mark Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558305122821209520noreply@blogger.com